I think I'm bitching about other people...

topic posted Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:40 PM by  Winner Winne...
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...but, the reality of this is I don't know if this is where to put my story or not.

The deal is this: I'm relatively new to Tribe. In one of my tribes, I posted a comment and got responses so I sent friend invitations to every member of the tribe. Dumb. I know. But, I don't worry over much about whether I look or act dumb. Anyway, in inviting every single person in this tribe to be my friend, I think (not sure...thinking is an activity I rarely engage in...but I think I was probably thinking) I invited the two 'alpha' dogs. In other words, in this particular tribe (again, I'm trying to think again....) there were two individuals vying for dominance and as adversaries, they were/are probably enaged in some sort of Tribal war. Initially, one of them accepted my dumb invitation. Then, the next day, the other accepted and now, the first one has undone the acceptance of my invitation.

I admit that sending out a blanket invitation to everyone in this tribe without really knowing who anyone was was not too bright a move. And, I probably stirred up a sh*t storm with it. I have to laugh at what I did...I sent the exact same message with each and every invitation, a macro that I put together to get those invitations out faster. Nothing says sincerity like an impersonal and macro-ed invitation!

You know, I've reread this post and the more I think about this, the less I care what happened. Oh well. Actually, thinking some more (there I go, trying to make up for lost time with the thinking deficit), perhaps the two people, the two 'alphas' from this other Tribe should be the ones posting a complaint about me here.
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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
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  • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 10:48 AM
    I didn't get no damn invite!
    • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:41 PM
      Oh man...I'm such a social retard, Even in virtual reality I can't seem to pull it together. Well, Lisa-heart, this, the apparent power struggle between the two alpha-types, was another tribe. But, I will certainly send you an invitation as well. And I promise to make it something unique and relevant to whatever it is (I haven't looked yet) you happen to have posted on your profile. And, I won't be disgusted or pushed out of shape if you reject me. *sniff sniff*

      Wow. I wasn't expecting any responses to "I think I'm bitching..." I gave a brief look at the previous few topics, noted that there weren't any responses and assumed that this tribe was a collective 'silently assenting' sort. This could be a good thing, as in it is nice to be acknowledged, or a bad thing, as in I now have a target on my back. What see ye hell-is-other-people tribe? Do I sit back, relax and wait for Lisa-heart to view my invitation, or do I start wearing a bullet-proof vest, quit reaching my hand into spaces too small and dark for me to visually inspect first, hire an official food taster to take any poison hits headed my way?!
      • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:02 PM
        Damn it all to hell, I wasn't going to say anything, but ...

        Your post here and on a couple other tribes make you come across as a juvenile, self-absorbed, histrionic, narcissistic exhibitionist with mild sociopathic anxieties.

        Nobody is responding because, ah, there is nothing to actually respond to.

        You jumped up and down, waving your arms and cooing, "Look at ME! Look at ME!", but nobody really did, and now you're jumping and waving harder.

        Do you have anything to say that ISN'T about YOU?

        Hell is juvenile, self-absorbed, histrionic, narcissistic exhibitionists with mild sociopathic anxieties on the Internet.
        • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:23 PM
          Woah, dude, take a deep breath and please, please, sit down before your head explodes. Actually, as far as the responses go, I got two that weren't mine. The 'no response' topics were immediately before this.

          And, the self-absorbed and narcissistic things are probably spot on. The exhibitionists and sociopath things, well, not so much. But, thanks for giving me some ideas for a Halloween costume!

          Really, guy, it's okay. Hell can mean a variety of different things depending upon who you ask to define it. And, just in case you were one of those from the other tribe that received my generic invitation (this might explain your reaction below), I am sorry for sending out generic invitations like that. You see, something like that wouldn't bother me at all but not everyone is as thick skinned as I am.

          Oh, one more thing, please, please don't avoid 'saying anything.' I mean, if you don't like what you're seeing, go ahead and post away. I, for one, am not bothered by it all.
          • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:07 PM
            <<<And, just in case you were one of those from the other tribe that received my generic invitation (this might explain your reaction below), I am sorry for sending out generic invitations like that.>>>

            Nope, that had absolutely nothing to do with it; this was the first and only tribe in which we have ever crossed paths.

            "Take a breath"? "Dude"? If you think my last post was the preface to an exploding head, then you must lead an enviably sheltered life. I went easy on you.

            Again, I have to ask ... Do you have anything at all to say about anything else other than yourself? "Me me me me me me ... " Read your previous posts and ask yourself why this is how you choose to express yourself ...

            ... but, please, keep the answer to yourself.
          • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:44 PM
            Winner, regarding the Halloween costume; exhibitionism and sociopathology gave you ideas for what sort of costume? Really, I can't imagine what could've come to mind from the words "exhibitionist" and "sociopath."

            And, I got to say right here and right now, I have a low tolerance for threats. Geoff, good to see that you finally managed to work your caps lock key. You might want to try to work on those oh-so-obvious anger management issues now that you've gotten better with a keyboard.
            • None of you will believe where this has headed ...

              Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:54 PM
              Received this PM sometime this evening ...

              Thal wrote:

              > re: "I went easy on you. "
              >
              > Geoff, I keep a lot of details concerning who I
              > am and what I do to myself. But, I need to let
              > you in on a few things here; First, I'm an
              > attorney. My specialty is consumer protection,
              > but I've taken criminal cases in the past. Two
              > of these criminal cases involved internet
              > stalking and threatening behavior. The second
              > thing is that the quote above, the one that you
              > pitched in hiop, sounds like a veiled threat. I
              > won't go to the moderator of the tribe the next
              > time I see something from you in there that
              > sounds like a threat. I'll go to Tribe's TOS
              > people. Watch yourself. You're an adult, at
              > least according to your profile. Try to act
              > like one.

              And this was my response to Thal:

              Wait a minute, let me get this straight ... You're threatening me with the threat of going to Tribe and accusing me of being threatening?

              Just saying that you are an attorney is not very impressive, though I see that you think it should be. Titles, titles. Instead of trying to intimidate me with your job title, why don't you actually explain to me how the statement "I went easy on you" can be misconstrued as "threatening behavior," let alone as “stalking”? A threat, the best that I can understand it (not being a hotshot attorney such as yourself) is an overt or covert indication of potential harm to come, and not a plain and obvious reference to more harshly worded language that could have been employed but wasn't. As for “stalking” … What I had to say to Winner Winner Chicken Dinner, I said publicly in an open discussion forum, while you PM’ed me threats, telling me to “watch [my]self.” Which is more like “stalking”?

              Watch myself? You absolutely have to be kidding. You honestly think much too highly of yourself.

              In any case, I’m calling your bluff. Play is to you. This is what I want you to do.

              First, go to the moderator of the tribe ... Elaine, I think ... and immediately complain about me ... I'm not sure exactly what you have to complain about, but I am absolutely confident in your ability to create something. This seems to be a talent of yours.

              Then, having done that, please, PLEASE contact the Tribe TOS people and explain to them (in a manner that is more clear than the self-important grandstanding and chest-thumping that you treated me to) exactly how I threatened and stalked poor Winner Winner Chicken Dinner by pointing out to him that the terms with which I criticized his character could have been a lot more harshly worded.

              Seriously, Thal, is THIS the kind of attorney you are? A bottom-feeding profiteer that wrings a living in this culture of constant complaint by exaggerating insignificant social sleights and obscenely ballooning them into crimes against humanity? Or do you enjoy throwing your title around on the Internet in an attempt to get a little respect out of people on Tribe that you don’t get in the real world?

              Anyway, do me two favors. First, stop stalking me with your PMs; it’s weird, and I don’t like it. Second, please make good on your threats and contact all of the appropriate Tribe authorities, and we can let them deal with this.

              By the way, in the spirit of keeping all of this above the board, I'll be posting this exchange to Hell Is Other People.
            • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

              Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:55 PM
              Thal - 'exhibitionism' made me think of Chevy Chase in "Community" this week. The word brought to mind images of me wearing a fat suit much like the one that Chase wore - I would lookke the Michelin man in one of those. "Hinc est bibendum!"

              Geoff; No one is forcing you to read anything that I post. I can only assume that your continued interest in what I have to say stems from some unquenched need from me. So, in the interest of peace, I will send you an invitation that you may feel free to reject! I will send you a friend invitation and I promise not to use my macro'ed message. I will personally craft a message that will be unique to you! That is how special you are, young man! Then, you will have the opportunity that you so ardently desire - the ability to say 'no' to the old man and not suffer any consequences!

              On your mark, get set, gooooooo....that invitation is on the way.
              • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:03 PM
                An interesting proposal, WWCD, one that I will seriously consider. But ... allow me to ask this frankly of you ... Do you feel "threatened" by me? Do you think that I have been "stalking" you? Am I using quotation marks superfluously?

                I tried to give "Community" a fair shake, gawd, how I tried ... Just couldn't stick with it.
                • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                  Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:05 PM
                  Actually, dude, it bothered me a bit and did feel like a bit of a threat. But, it wasn't an immediate threat like if I opened up my curtains right now, a sniper would be ready and aiming at me. But yeah, man, you are kind of harsh.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:11 PM
                    There's "harsh," and then there's a "threat" ... "a declaration of an intent to inflict punishment, injury, etc., as in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course ... an indication or warning of probable trouble."

                    Seriously, WWCD, if it wasn't an "immediate threat," then what kind of threat was it?
                    • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                      Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:12 PM
                      We can't all be like Thal and interpret everything that we don't like as a "threat" ...
                      • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:44 PM
                        IS this where I need to come in and tell everyone to play nice?

                        Cause I hate doing that.
                        • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                          Sat, October 31, 2009 - 7:31 AM
                          The never-ending rewards of being a moderator. You were warned when you took the job, weren't you?

                          Holy crap!
                          "You were warned"!!! I can't believe I just said that!
                          THAL! CALLING THAL!
                          Did I just threaten ELAINE, too?!?
                          Better alert the Supreme Court! A monster is on the loose!
                          • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:29 PM
                            Geoff...and I kind of have some respect for you. I'm with Thal on this one. What you posted to Winner Winner did look like a threat. There was a definite '...or else..." hanging on the end of your statement. You're better than that, right? Really. You and I both know that there are many ways to threaten someone and many things with which those threats can be carried out - having a literal gun to one's head isnt the only way to create a hostile environment.

                            I didn't know you were in Greek Music until Katarina left to do her studies! My specialty is the old stuff, laika and rembetiko although, I do like some contemporary stuff; haris alexiou, alkestis protopsalti, dionysis savopoulos, and the american fusion/interpretation artists like annabouboula. There's a band in the bay area of California, the Smyrna Time Machine that I like quite a bit. Do you know of them?

                            Alright so this was a shameless plug for the Greek Music tribe...;-)
                            • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                              Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:30 PM
                              Ther ... no offense ... but you are always "with Thal" on everything, at least on Tribe. You are kin, and you watch eachother's backs. Both of you have this thing for threatening other Tribe users with a report to Tribe TOS; I've seen you both do it over, in my opinion, *nothing*. I have had a guy in another Tribe tell me that he was going to board a plane for the East Coast, come to my town, and kick my ass ... THAT is a threat, a very real threat, not a vaguely perceived threat ... And even then, I didn't bother to threaten him with legal action or a complaint to Tribe TOS, for gawdsake ...

                              A definite "or else"? That doesn't even make sense, Ther, and you know it. "I went easy on you ... or else!" Does that make any sense to you? Where is the threat, even the perceived threat? What exactly do you or Thal or WWCD perceive I was threatening? There's been a lot of hand-wringing and saber-rattling, but nobody has been able to articulate just what form of threat I am allegedly guilty of.

                              I'm "better than that"? Better than what? The one thing that I agree with you (besides your taste in music, of course) is that it obviously does not take a literal gun to "create a hostile environment." But what you and your cousin need to understand is that "creating a hostile environment" is NOT the same thing as "threatening" somebody.

                              Your cousin made a poor choice of words, opted for an unfortunate tone of bullying legal-eagle swagger, and set up her attack on me with the totally wrong approach. If she had opted to say something like, "Geoff, you are being insulting to WWCD" or "Geoff, it is against Tribe policy to denigrate other people's characters" or lecture me on the finer differences between, say, "libel" and "slander," something that I ACTUALLY DID, then she might have had a legitimate point. Instead, she chose to try to intimidate me with her job title and make a sloppily phrased accusation that neither she nor anyone else in this tedious debate can support. I hope she does a better job in her career than she does bullying strangers on Tribe, 'cos this was downright sloppy and hysterical.

                              Just because somebody says something your cousin doesn't like or says it in a way that she doesn't like does not equate to "threatening behavior." Insults, denigration, calumny, even open hostility may or may not have their place on Tribe (an interesting discussion topic for the future), but they simply do NOT add up to a "threat" just because Thal wants to pretend that she's some kind of powerful lawyer.

                              In any case, I do look forward to discussing Greek music with you in the Greek Music Tribe, and I eagerly await your cousin's formal complaints to both the moderator of Hell Is Other People and to the Tribe TOS people.
                              • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                                Sat, October 31, 2009 - 7:26 PM
                                Whatever guy. But, seriously, I do think you're better...oh, forget it.

                                So, you know anything about the Smyrna Time Machine?
                                • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                                  Mon, November 2, 2009 - 12:20 AM
                                  Gads...I know I'm going to regret this...and eventually Thal will be here to catch up...but, Geoff, really. I have to be true to what I witnessed. Yes, my man. You did, in fact, threaten Mr. Chicken Dinner. That being said, I am fully aware that you will continue to bellow your innocence to whatever god/universe/void that you pray to or believe in.

                                  You mentioned in your first tirade against the poor guy that you 'checked up on his other posts,' or something to that effect. I can't tell you how incredibly creepy this sounds. Like it or not Geoff, this makes it sound as though you've been following this hapless guy around Tribe! Then, on top of following him around, you insist on reading what he writes although you claim to be sickened by him and then you ambush him like you did! And as if that weren't enough, I get absolutely nothing from you indicating that you feel any sort of empathy for him, your victim, let alone remorse for what you did. I hope I don't need to tell you how horrible this sounds.

                                  To add to this mix of creepiness that you've subjected us to, you tell us about someone else in Tribe who threatened to come after you! I believe you refered to it as a 'real threat.' I have to say, after reading the emetis that you left for Winner Winner, I can only wonder what you did to get that fellow to say that to you. That's right - after what I've experienced here, there is no way that I could ever imagine you being the victim of anything of anyone.

                                  The capstone to all this madness is how flippant you are about shirking any responsibility. As far as you're concerned, this is all Thalia's fault and mine for having the audacity to be offended by your boorish and threatening (yes, I said it) behavior.

                                  Dude, sorry to lay in to you like this. But, I just had to spell it out the way it was. I think the part that I find the most heinous is your inability to relate to Winner Winner. You threatened him and then went on to act as though nothing had happened. It's this casual comfort with threatening behavior and no apparent conscience telling you that something is wrong that disturbs me. It's something that my ex-husband would've refered to as Borderline Personality Disorder, a mental disorder referenced in an ad, strangely enough, that shows up next to your posts in this thread. Perhaps Tribe is on to something here.
                                  • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                                    Mon, November 2, 2009 - 8:40 AM
                                    Wow, this whole thing started off having absolutely NOTHING to do with you ... and you just had to stick your snoot into it and probe around in other people's garbage ... OK, that part I understand; not everybody has other, more meaningful ways to spend their free time ... Then you send me this reasonably reconcillatory PM ... Not that you agreed with much of my point, but you seemed willing to move on ... And I thought, Ahhh, finally, this tedious little spat is finally starting to wind down a bit ... And then you post THIS, eh? So very, very strange, Theresa. I know that you feel this tribal need to fight all of Thalia's fights for her, but this is downright weird. Anyway, I would love to highlight your juvenile insults, rip apart your logical fallacies and expose each and every one of your hypocritical and self-righteous accusations, but today is my wife's birthday and we have a big day of REAL LIFE planned for us, so I may just have to set your pathetic provocation aside for a rainy day.

                                    Meanwhile, where IS that crafty cousin of yours, anyway? Why am I even still allowed on Tribe? I thought she would have had my Tribe membership revoked right now.
                                    • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                                      Mon, November 2, 2009 - 12:43 PM
                                      You kids. Everyone back to their corners, find something on the internet about how sucky Walmart shoppers are, or people with children or drunks are, and lets bitch about them.

                                      This whole " you suck, no you suck, hey stop sucking you sucking sucker" only distracts from the intent of this tribe which is to group around our collective sense of superiority about other people.
                                      You all realize this is what the "other people" want? For us to destroy ourselves instead of make fun of them.
                                    • Re: I think I'm bitching about other people...

                                      Mon, November 2, 2009 - 12:56 PM
                                      Geoff, I’m here. There are problems here. Those are: You threatened Winner, you bitch-slapped the moderator and Ther, and you are blaming your actions on me. This creates a very hostile environment. I’m certain that you will scream first amendment free speech rights here but, like it or not, certain ‘speeches’ are not constitutional rights.

                                      In 1934, at about the time that many people were obtaining telephones, the Communications Act (of 1934) was enacted. This prohibited the use of the telephone to harass, annoy or threaten. In 1996, seeing the need to extend this regulation to the internet, an addendum to the Communications Act of 1934 was enacted, the Obscene or Harassing Use of Telecommunications Facilities Act (of 1996). Much like the Communications Act of 1934, this act prohibits the use of the internet to harass, annoy or threaten, just as its parent act did so for the telephone. The relevant part of this act for the situation here falls under Title V of the act, “…creates…any comment…with the intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another person.”

                                      This is broad sweeping and, like most acts limiting speech, boils down to taste, and threshold. In other words, how much can/will a certain community tolerate and what does that community define as annoying, abusing, threatening or harassing. In this thread, you’ve been told by me, Ther, the moderator and Winner, that your responses were annoying, abusive, threatening, harassing, or some combination of these. In any case, you now know that you need to tone down your, shall we say, passion or members of this community that you are a participant in will be offended.

                                      So, the next time that you post anything offensive and I happen to see it, I will complain to Tribe TOS. This isn’t the end of the world although your posting frequency and content imply that you are worried about this and do believe that it is the end of the world. (Could it be that this isn't the first time that this has happened to you? Have you annoyed others in other Tribes and been reported to Tribe TOS already?) It’s simple. Don’t be so offensive and we won't have a problem. That’s all.

                                      I am supplying a link, not an official government link, but one that is accurate without all the legalese, with a brief description of the acts that I’ve referenced in this post. I believe that it is more accessible to non legal types and therefore, more understandable.

                                      wiredsafety.org/cyberstalk...inglaw.html

                                      See for yourself. Because I hand typed in this URL, you might not be able to simply click and view. In that case, copy and paste the address in your browser. That should work.
                                      • “[b]itch-slapped the moderator”? Honestly?

                                        OK, things have really sailed through the obnoxious, beyond the pathetic, and taken a sudden, disorienting turn into the totally absurd.

                                        “Bitch-slapped”?

                                        Elaine, do *you* recall what I said when I “bitch-slapped” you? I recall addressing you directly one time, only to wryly commiserate in the lousy position of a moderator. Now that’s a “bitch-slap”? One has to wonder what’s being taught in law schools these days …

                                        I should have seen this coming, I guess, having witnessed how Thalia and Theresa have played this same tired game a few times in the past … shrill and sloppy hyperbole, easy threats, and the insertion of their own words into other people’s mouths, always laced with cheap, insinuated, hit-and-run insults flung like cow dung through a woodchipper in the hope that, if enough insubstantial crap is hurled, maybe something will actually stick.

                                        I could respond to these two, tell them how, despite their sneering insinuation, I have never before been threatened with punishment by Tribe TOS before … or I could explain how the guy who threatened to fly cross-country and kick my ass was a twice-incarcerated ex-con with a criminal record of assault and battery who had threatened more than half a dozen other people in the same tribe over a period of two weeks …

                                        … but why bother our two cousins with real, actual events, when the perception and the misperception of them are so much more fun?

                                        Theresa, you were never a driver in this race, just another drunk heckler in the bleachers, throwing beer cans on the track, rooting for your favorite car and keeping your fingers crossed for a fiery pile-up. Then you started snuffling around in my profile, looking for dirt? Sad, sad lady.

                                        Thalia, if you DO NOT report me to Tribe TOS for all of my alleged threats, you are exposing yourself as an exhibitionistic, self-important bully with no integrity, somebody who has wasted everybody’s time with all of this posing and posturing but no follow-through. Why threaten to monitor me and punish me in the FUTURE? If I have indeed threatened the well-being of so many innocent, helpless people, what could you possibly be waiting for? Strike! Strike! Punish me NOW. Anything less than a complete display of your righteousness, power and greatness is a cruel anticlimax after all that we all have been through.

                                        Using your pat little Obscene or Harassing Use of Telecommunications Facilities Act of 1996 as a set of guidelines for proper, righteous Internet behavior, you and your acidic cousin (and damn near everybody on this tribe and on Tribe.net itself) is in constant violation. I could whine and cry with quivering lower lip about the nasty things that the two of you have said about me, my mental state, my character, etc, and the hostile, annoying, harassing, “threatening” atmosphere that the two of you have created toward me. We could ALL play the victim game and parade our hurt feelings around forever and keep one another in a state of constant charge and counter-charge. I hear there’s even good money in it for some …

                                        Ultimately, of course, Elaine is right. This tedious feud doesn’t have much to do with the stated purpose of the tribe and can’t be very illuminating or entertaining to the other 355 members. Even Winner Winner Chicken Dinner has abandoned the field. Hence, this will be my last post on this thread.

                                        Doubtlessly, Ther and Thal will want to gnash their beaks and snap their claws and vomit the last word and rattle out the last threat, which is perfectly fine. Maybe once they retch that last dram of bile out of their systems, maybe they could actually post something meaningful, insightful, interesting, observant or humorous to this tribe …The only time I ever even see their, ah, “contributions” on HIOP is when they’re swaggering into arguments like a pair of shrewish playground monitors. For such esteemed and long-tiome HIOP members, the last time Ther began a thread on this tribe was in 2006, whereas I wasn’t actually able to find one for Thal.

                                        Thanks, everybody, it’s been a hoot.

                                        Did somebody bring up WalMart?

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